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Title: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 30, 2010, 08:50:22 PM
Thought I'd start posting a few pics of the overall project.

As many will know I've made a small start on the trailer and even smaller start on the boat.

Currently the boat looks like this:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/SqNAKGQicgI/AAAAAAAAAEc/3UYkFJuJZTw/s320/cap_15Aug09.jpg)

And the trailer is now being welded back together (and shortened) so is further progressed than this:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TIzP--PXSWI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/U5cKS37-Wgk/s400/Trailer.jpg)

Today I picked up the last of the big three items... the motor... and I suspect I have bitten off an even bigger challenge than the boat and trailer put together. It is even further removed form anything I have prior experience with, but, I'm tentatively up for the outboard mechanic challenge. Time to track down a workshop manual me thinks!!!

Its a 1967 MERC 650SS short shaft that it missing bits and ceased. However, all the shiny bits are in great condition and the motor 'looks' really clean under the covers:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TMv1QZ2vKII/AAAAAAAAAF0/KgxfFPbElgc/s400/Side.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TMv1QT_h0hI/AAAAAAAAAF8/uwuPrQhZO_A/s400/Front+Cowl.jpg)

My first comment is... HOLY CRAP its a big motor. Almost burst something (on me that is) hand lifting it onto the stand (yes on my own). Had to be 80kg+.

Capricious is either going to sink or be a rocket ship.

Serious Q thought... it really does seem very big and heavy (and I assume powerful)... do you think its to much for the boat???


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: slowpoke on October 31, 2010, 01:51:54 AM
Hi Aaron,
You've made a start and made progress, providing you don't stop it will get finished. Unfortunately, life gets in the way sometimes!

That motor looks huge because you know how heavy it is! I use an automotive engine hoist and the motors don't seem so large.  :-)
In the US it is a well respected motor. I don't believe it is too big and many Glasspar G3s (your size but different shape hull) run with this motor. Performance wise it can be compared to the 70hp Johnson 3-cyl (70s-80s) and you will be thrilled with the performance. Good props are around. Two G3 friends in the US are continually in competition with each other, one with a 650SS and the other with a worked Stinger (75hp version). The Stinger only just wins.
The Mercs of the 50s and 60s look better through my eyes than any other outboard, even though I mostly choose to run OMC because of the salt water here.
What bits are missing from your motor?
Ken


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Chair on October 31, 2010, 06:42:33 AM
Hi Aaron and Ken
I agree that this 65 is a good choice for this boat as it will give you a few extra thrills than a more conservative size. I run an earlier model 65 and love it. Yes salt is not kind with our mercs, but don't let it stop you. There is a new product I believe that you attach and flush your Merc with.   
Where to start with your Merc. When you start to pull it apart, I'd suggest to drop the lower unit first.  On the powerhead, unless someone has good advice, be prepared to shear off the water jacket bolts for a start. I'd systematically seek advice if I was you as the workshop manual won't tell you all. I thought I new a fair bit about these motors, but ripping down the powerhead is an interesting challenge for a novice. Mercman to the rescue, he has a wealth of experience on this particular model, we both have huge affection for this model.
David


Title: Re: sheared bolts - tip
Post by: slowpoke on October 31, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
Frozen steel bolts in aluminium, locked up motors ....

Here's a tip from a pal in the US who is 35 years an outboard mechanic:
1) Presoak the part with WD40
2) Send your wife out shopping for a couple of hours,
3) Remove ALL plastic or rubber parts from the powerhead, gearbox, whatever ...
4) Put it in the oven @ 350F for 45 minutes
5) While still hot the stubborn bolts will come out
6) Don't cook in the oven until it has been cleaned

Ken


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 31, 2010, 10:13:51 AM
Morning guys,
Thanks for the confirmation on the motor size. I feel much more at ease after the shock of seeing how big it was in the flesh.

I know this is a silly little detail, but I am really excited about the motor (which is mostly black with silver, red and white highlights) being exactly what I was toying with for the boat (White with red and black highlights and metallic trimmings). Its resolved one of the choices I was most stuck on.

Ken,
Parts.... there are plenty of little nuts, bolt and bits missing. The lower unit (gearbox?) is already off (I have it zip-tied in place for the photos) and until I start pulling things apart I may not know fully.

However, I know some of the big things missing/wanted:

  • The biggy is I need to find a forward control, from the control box itself right back to the 6/7-pin harness plug and the throttle/shifter cables, which have nothing more than the linkage bolts sitting inside the cowl. I am not even sure which version/model I need so any help is greatly appreciated.
  • A big want is tilt rams or some kind of tilt system to suit. Again, not sure where to start here in terms of what will fit/work and even if there was tilt systems for these motors.

Dave,
I was just saying to my girlfriend this morning, that with the motor now home, its the first part of the project that I am actually threatened by. I can build and make anything with a bit of research my new welding, glassing, electrical, etc skills have been a sinch, but engine mechanics I have never really toyed with, little own an outboard. Nervous as I am about it I will give it a crack and most certainly be referring back to you guys each step of the way and may link to another motor specific thread off this one. I might even need to put beer and BBQ on offer to attract some in-person local help ;-)

As I mentioned above the lower unit was already off. The prop will spin one direction but not the other, so I think it is not ceased. Hopefully just a tear-down and rebuild. Unfortunately, the ceased issue seems to be with the motor, as I cannot get any movement out of the flywheel.

Externally at least, the powerhead looks really clean. Looks completely original with wiring good and supple and everything really clean looking (other than some oil around the place from an unknown source. I can see many of the nuts and bolts still have the seal in place and there is nothing I can see that looks after market.

There is a lot of sub-paint corrosion, so I'm not going to be happy without a full strip and repaint. So that means every nut and bolt will have to be disassembled. The metal trim is in great condition, so only some polishing there and I have found a place in the US that looks to make some great looking decal sets.

I am not 100% sure on the plan of attack yet though. I think I'll get back to the trailer first, then work on the boat and motor concurrently.

Aaron.




Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 31, 2010, 10:17:20 AM
Sorry Ken,

You must have posted while I went for breaky mid reply.

Thanks for the tips.

I hope once I get into the motor I'll dine a simple explanation that is not to catastrophic to it.

Would the tip apply to a ceased transom bolt (when I get to it)? The one in the photo with the plastic grip missing will not budge.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: slowpoke on October 31, 2010, 10:49:51 AM
Aaron,
Re clamp bolt, clean as much of the thread as you can. Continually squirt WD every couple of hours for a couple of days (or if dismantled soak). Add heat (with care - ally will suddenly collapse when it reaches melting point, it is not a gradual softening). What you are trying to do is break the seal caused by the corrosion/inter-reaction between the two metals. I don't know if it is different expansion rates or something else that the heat does to break down the corrosion. Once it moves a little, add WD and 'work' it just a bit more, gradually you will be able to revolve it completely. You should be heating the bolt and the casting. If dismantled, try the oven but be prepared to lose any plastic (handles), rubber or nylon bits. Worst case, cut off the bolt, drill & tap out the remaining and buy new bolts from the parts dealer or eBay US. I found it handy to register on eBay US as well as here. Most parts suppliers (whose listing says shipping to US only) will send to Oz if asked. USPS is the ONLY way, every other shipper (Fedex etc) is 3 to 5 times the cost.
Frozen powerhead or gearbox: I have been told that Auto transmission fluid is a good soaker to help unfreeze.
Wiring: Caution! Mercs ar known for their harness to become brittle. If in doubt replace. I have found new old stock (NOS) harnesses on eBay US.
Control box: Local wreckers or eBay. Asking here would be sensible too.
Corrosion: When you strip and repaint do some research on repainting aluminium - lots of advice out there via google. I am happy with Norgloss (www.norglass.com.au) products and they have an aluminium etch suitable for use here and good information on their site. Follow instructions AND cleanliness.
Most of all, have fun doing it. When it all looks pristine you will have a unique boat that will pull attention anywhere.
Ken


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 01, 2010, 11:30:05 AM
Thanks again for all the great tips Ken. Just went and restocked on WD40 ;-) Prop/shaft and clamp bold both being doused regularly!

OK, here are my other two big sticking points:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TM4VNpSkIcI/AAAAAAAAAGE/tFD_Le4v26c/s400/Bearing+and+Bush.jpg)

On the left is the shifter shaft bush, which I cannot for the life of me work out how to remove. Once out the whole shaft should come out.

On the right is the main drive shaft bearing. The retaining clip is out, but the bearing will not budge even with some sharp tugging on the shaft (outwards as there is about 0.5-0.75mm free-play).

Anyone got any bright ideas as once these are out the lower unit almost completely disassembled?

I came across my first possible 'bugger' moment too. Where the drive shaft passes through the water pump seals (three of), it has some pitting. Certainly as it is it will not form a good seal so I will have to look at whether the shaft surface can be cleaned up without looking too much shaft diameter, or, whether I'm going to have to find another shaft.
Aaron.

Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on November 01, 2010, 02:09:38 PM
Forgive me Aaron for missing the point, but what are you doing tearing the box apart. I just thought the motor was seized, not the box ???
Although, you are going pretty good so far! 8)

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 01, 2010, 03:50:17 PM
Fair enough question...

The mechanical reasons:
1. The motor is a total unknown in terms of its condition so to check it all out makes sense to me both mechanically and form a safety perspective once its all up and running. Plus having now found water in the gearbox confirms that I chose to take it this far.
2. I want to repaint the whole outboard to as new condition (like the example you showed but to which all posts, including mine, seem to have been removed from the thread  ??? ). To do that I need to strip all the major components so they can be sent away for blasting and then painting.
3. I want to know that every nut and bolt are in good condition (already finding seal, o-ring and gasket issues in the water pump).

The personal reasons:
1. I'm anal about having things perfect. Cannot see the point of doing the job unless its done 100%. Capricious is little more than a damaged fiberglass hull/shell and the trailer is a rusted frame. Every single inch of them needs repairing, fixing and work, so why not the motor to.
2. The challenge.
3. The immense sense of accomplishment 'IF' I can pull it off.

Reason's enough?

 ;)



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Chair on November 03, 2010, 03:44:19 PM
Aaron
I had a minute and thought I'd have a play with your boat (I'm a photoshop novice as you can see) I hope you don't mind. My reasons for this design is that the front looked a bit heavy to me so I chucked some of the blue down below and thinned out the stripes to look more "marine" . Yes or no  :-\ , I'm thick skinned and it's your project.
David


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 04, 2010, 07:02:07 AM
I like it. More stylish and subtle than my attempt.... but.... you knew there'd be one....

The pendulum that is my mind is back to the original colour scheme (white with black and red highlights) in order to match the motor.

Maybe all the thick stripes are black and the thin strips are a dark cherry red to match the stripes on the outboard?

I should start a design competition and offer up a prize to the chosen design (I'm not very arty)...


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 12, 2010, 08:01:52 PM
Back to my orig colour scheme and to match the motor... how about this rough idea?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TN0Pxx3ljeI/AAAAAAAAAGM/Ld_Gsc_LK_8/s400/Red%2Bw%2BWhite%2BGT%2BStripes-Split%2BWindow.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TN0P5yOqvBI/AAAAAAAAAGc/TzdiUaB8GZw/s400/Red%2Bw%2BWhite%2BGT%2BStripes.jpg)

I am pretty set on the colours (red, white, black and silver/chrome, with a grey interior) but still lots of work on the layout and stripes.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Chair on November 12, 2010, 08:29:46 PM
Are you thick skinned Aaron? Well you asked for it,
No way on a boat would I do an in balance. Looks like it will slip sideways and sink. I love your idea of the colours, but get rid of the GT stripes, it's a boat not a Ford. Design is really an intricate thing,
It's your boat, but it needs comments here guys,  what do others think, am I being unfair? Your boat needs to pick up the lines of the Glasspar G3 in my opinion. I tried this with a Javelin once. Here is the result.

Chair man



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: 1shashlik on November 13, 2010, 05:44:48 AM
WOW these are both very nice colour designs. I lean towards Aarons off-centre double stripe in red (looks very fast).


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 13, 2010, 05:59:43 AM
Thick skin is not in short supply so go for it as I am just toying with ideas. And yes... I do seem a bit stuck on some kind of linear striping.

Back to Photoshop.....


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 21, 2010, 12:11:09 PM
Was playing with the sander today and thought it was a good opportunity to take a photo which shows the three colour history of Capricious.

1. The original gel-coat is a aquary-sky-baby blue on the deck and a white hull.

2. It then looks like it got a light coat of white undercoat and heavy yellow top coat. I can't quite work it out but the yellow does not seem to be all over so may have been some kind of broad pattern.

3. Next was heavy layer of white undercoat, then red oxide undercoat and the current topcoat of deep blue.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/aajenki/Boat/PaintHistory.jpg)

I have a question though... I am currently using an orbital sander (with the rectangle sanding pad) and it is SLOW work even with 60 grit.

I'm hesitant to go courser with the grit as to protect the gel coat (even though I'll be painting over it). I also tried a big belt dander but its too hard to control and sands belt groves into the gel coat.

I was thinking a rotary orbital sander might be the fastest solution.

What have you guys found the best method of getting old layers of paint off?

Anyone used paint stripper? Would it damage the f'glass or be an issue if there was residue left in the cracks of the gel coat??



Oh....... and I could not help myself....... Original colour scheme + my stripes + white gunwale rubber (which it originally had) and polished alloy windscreen frame:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/aajenki/Boat/OrigwithWtGTandWtTrimSML.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Chair on November 21, 2010, 02:40:05 PM
Cheers


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on November 21, 2010, 08:09:21 PM
Hey Aaron, why don't you send our member Darrcoll a PM.
He is a genuine Shipwright. He'll steer you in the right direction an how to strip her back easily.

MERCMAN.

PS. For what it's worth, I don't like the stripes either. The stripes didn't appear on cars or boats until way after your lovely little vessel was built. However, it's entirely up to you 8)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: darrcoll on November 22, 2010, 09:24:26 AM
Hi Aaron, Shipwright to the rescue.. Re the paintwork.. a random orbital will the quickest and easiest way to get a food finish. Don't be afraid to use 80g discs to start with. once all boat is sanded look for obvious defects and pin holes. Grind any star cracks and fill everything with an epoxy filler. (use epoxy for everything as polyester or car bog will shrink) sand filled areas. this could be a long process if you want a baby bum finish but is well worth the effort. SPRAY a high build epoxy undercoat, the most economical is JOTUN high build, about $100 for a 4 litre pack. Other brands are Sterling or international. Are you in Sydney, If so. Paint is available from Marineware At Rozelle or SCOMAR at deewhy. Once undercoated let cure for a couple of days. I would normally sand next day but you are in no hurry. Before you sand go over the area and fine fill any pinholes. the best product for this is CAM (available from scomar) filler, it is polyester but you are using a very small amount. when you are happy with filling, sand with 220-320g paper, use a guide coat as well, spray matt black on area first. this will prove invaluable for those unseen pinholes and help you keep track of where you are up to with the sander.

When happy with the surface. mask up where you dint want paint to go ( actually this should be done before undercoat and leave it there till finished) Red fineline plastic tame will give you the sharpest lines. use some wax and grease remover (similar to turps) and be sure to wipe off all excess with dry rag. Time to spray. Best paint AWLgrip2000, lots of colours available from marineware at Rozelle. for painting 2.0mm tip in gun for undercoat and 1.4mm tip in gun for topcoat.


If you want to do different colours, eg stripes. Paint whole boat with base colour then mask stripes as required. leave a day or so between colours.

Last thing when applying topcoat 1st coat is a light mist or tack coat. second coat is slightly heavier but should give good coverage. the last coat should be a wet coat and give good coverage. allow 40-45min between coats.
Let me know if you have any Q's. cheers Darrell


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 28, 2010, 08:02:06 PM
Hi Darell and thanks for the detailed reply. Really helpful stuff!

To start... here is 8'ish hours of work with another 2 hours to finish the deck:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TPIjgXkSz3I/AAAAAAAAAG8/SPLc53pkpF8/s320/Sanding1.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TPIjkeA1LfI/AAAAAAAAAHE/18it5eV0L3M/s320/Sanding2.jpg)

That bloodly layer of yellow is the killer. Harder to get off than any of the other layers and on about 80% of the deck.

I will admit that I have resorted to 60g in some places. However, no matter the g rating, I've only gone as far as taking the paint off and stopped as soon as gel-coat was hit. Obviously I'm not going to restore the GC, but I am trying too minimise material loss.

Not after a baby bum finish. Just as good as I can get with the hull, knowing it has some imperfections I'll not be able to fix (i.e. some gentle warping).

Firstly, I was not intending to spray. I planned to roll and tip as to minimise equipment, over-spraying and safety gear. Do you recommendations regarding products and steps still stand knowing that?

Cheers,
Aaron.





Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: darrcoll on December 09, 2010, 11:21:21 PM
Hi Aaron, yes the steps are similar, the only difference being that with Awlgrip or  Sterling 2k paint systems, buy the brushing thinners and converter instead of spray. use a good quality brush and do it in the shade, you may get it done in 2 coats but will use a bit more materiel.. I would have a go a spraying myself  or hunt around for some one with a bit of talent. Spraying would take about 2-3hrs including cleanup of gun.. worth the finish..

cheers

Darrcoll


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: pride on December 10, 2010, 06:06:38 AM
Aaron,

What a great project, will look great once done - so far so good.
I like the solid colour with thin striping that highlighted the contours of the unique hull shape - if any.

It's a great little boat you got there!

Cheers

Jd


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: slowpoke on December 10, 2010, 10:07:38 AM
Hi Aaron,
I am with Darcoll here - spraying will be the best choice if possible.

However, I have seen some excellent results with roll & tip.
If you decide on this method, I have two suggestions.
First, if (as many sites & instructions suggest) you use a foam brush for the tipping, be very careful that the foam does not dissolve in the paint solvents. I now believe that foam brushes available here are suitable for water paints only - the quality of the foam is not suitable for paints with powerful solvents. Yes, I came a gutsa and ended up with a messy glob bubbling and fizzing ...   TEST FIRST.
Or, secondly, use a really good quality natural hair brush - not a synthetic brush with split end fibres.
Good luck and good work.
Looking forward to seeing it done, as you are!
Ken



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 12, 2010, 07:51:18 PM
Thanks for the input gang. I will look more into spraying as my bro-inlaw has a gun and I think my air compressor will suffice.

Still sanding however... then I have to do the timber work (floor, dash, transom, bracing, etc) and then I can start painting.

I finished sanding the deck today (these shots where about an hour before I was done) and have started on the hull (after flipping):

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TQSZRjD6UcI/AAAAAAAAAHc/ax4GWY-Hihw/s1600/Sanding1.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TQSZRhT2bJI/AAAAAAAAAHk/ZzHfJPYIvqw/s1600/Sanding2.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TQSZSCKmzZI/AAAAAAAAAHs/E75EU6u82Ng/s1600/Sanding3.jpg)

Crikey I have some work to do. I knew before removing paint there were loads of small and large holes and gel coat cracks, but now with the paint off so much more is visible. Just about every type of repair you can imagine is needed in one shape, form or another!


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: pride on December 12, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
Aaron,

Keep up the good work mate, it's coming along nicely. Such a cool hull that one... What make/year is it?
I'm new to all this - can't say I have seen a hull like yours before but I like it.

Cheers

Jock


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 12, 2010, 08:39:49 PM
Well now you see Jock... that question is a sore point with me:

http://board.net.au/yabbse/index.php?topic=923.0

So you see I to have never seen another like it nor do I have any bloody idea what it is, other and Ian's teasing little bit of info!

Cheers,
Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: yochemin on December 13, 2010, 08:13:04 PM
If you have her upside down Aaron , it may be a time to run a straight edge from the transom going forward make sure there 's no hook in the bottom
Can cause some major handling problems later
Also there was a really good detailed article on tip and rolling two pack , using foam rollers on the fibreglassics site a while ago
I've done quite a bit two pack and I learnt quite alot from the read
this is a photo of the hook in my  Tillicraft .

Steve


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 13, 2010, 08:42:14 PM
Will do Steve.

I ran an eye-line from one end and it looked good, but will put a straight edge up against  it to make sure.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 18, 2010, 06:46:16 PM
Steve,
Straight as can be!
Which is a good thing as I already have an area of hull damage I don't think I can avoid cutting right out and re-glassing (see below).
Today's progress:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TQx0ICQWMxI/AAAAAAAAAIk/Bt_H-QFSelg/s320/Sanding1.jpg) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TQx0ONnYQVI/AAAAAAAAAIs/xwAnayG1-MU/s320/Sanding2.jpg) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TQx0Tki8gRI/AAAAAAAAAI0/f2IN37OaAYY/s320/Sanding3.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 21, 2010, 06:23:24 AM
Also forgot to add I have now also sourced a forward control, cables, trim/tilt rams and pump.

So that now means I have almost gathered all the key floaty and movey bits....

....not than any of them would actually perform their said role in their current state  ;)

Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on January 04, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
Almost done sanding the hull. Tomorrow should see me ready to start repairs.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TSL7aGtkvWI/AAAAAAAAAJM/S2ay31jDydk/s1600/Hull.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: yochemin on January 05, 2011, 08:51:11 PM
Must be dusty at your place!
Came across the article I mentioned on roll&tip painting , got some good prep detail , though their paint brands differ slightly .

http://www.fiberglassics.com/latest/paint-it-black

steve


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on January 06, 2011, 08:35:05 AM
You bet it is. I did most in my workshop (front and rear doors open) until dust got into absolutely everything. So as per the photo, have moved it outside. Have also been pretty careful with a mask, as heck knows what metals are in these old paints.

Thanks for the link too Steve. Still tossing up weather to roll/brush or spray.

Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on January 06, 2011, 08:41:14 AM
Actually I have a question.

I'd like to avoid removing every single inch of the older paint. All the top layers are gone, but some of the original undercoat is pretty tough and well bonded to the gel coat. I understand there are issues with applying 2-pac onto 1-pac. Not knowing what the older layers are I will assume worst case and some is 1-pac.

Is there a primer that will bond to either and then serve as tie coat for the final layers of 2-pac paint?

I also got some advise from and experienced boat builder to not worry about marine specific paints for a trailer boat that will live most of its life out of water and in a garage. He said to fair using automotive filler, high-build primer then paint with automotive 2-pac. Cheaper, easier and bigger range of colours. Any thoughts on this one?

Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: yochemin on January 06, 2011, 11:07:18 AM
Hi Aaron ,
Anything that's to hard to sand off should stay , that's my theory . It gets to hard otherwise .
Unless its got stress fractures or blisters , I'd leave it on.
Before either spraying or tipping put a high build epoxy primer on , International Paints has a good one , high build , easy sand , above or below water ,
called Interprotect .
To test what's on the boat for suitability , pick an out of the way spot , with a blade lightly scratch up about 25mm sq just criss cross , wet some cotton wool or rag with 2 pac thinners , tape over scratched area leave it a few hours . when you remove it  , it may have paint on it or where you scratched may be soft, it's single pac
Stick  a bit of masking tape over the area and rip it off. Nothing comes off it's 2pac
I agree with all but automotive paint . I don't know that much about them , but they like to put a clear over the color , something like Awlgrip ,
blow it on , it levels out , great .
You can put a coat on outdoors in 20 knots of wind and it will still look great . Marine paints have been around a long time , Time was you would just spray a boat on the slipway[pre EPA]no shed , no extractors .
I'm not sure you get enough thickness with car paint [without clear coating as well]
Chances are , if some one has done a nice spray job , it will have been done in 2 pac 
Steve


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: slowpoke on January 06, 2011, 11:51:18 AM
Good advice Steve, and I am with you on using marine paint and not automotive. I like your recommendations for International & Awlgrip as well.

Aaron, I suggest that any filler you use be an epoxy base which will not shrink like a polyester filler (automotive). It might cost a few extra bob but will save disappointment 6 months down the track when all the auto-filler filled spots have shrunk.

I am a fan of the 2-pack epoxy marine paints. I have been happy with Northane (Norgloss.com.au) and particularly with their 2-pack hi-build primer and topcoats - this gives you an alternative locally made product to use, and they will mix to your colour for a small fee.
If you are looking for a lower cost option check out their 'no-rust' primer. This will stick to anything and can be overcoated by anything.
Ken


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on January 23, 2011, 07:02:29 AM
Really needed to focus the project as was jumping around too much and not getting far... so the trailer is first (which will give me somewhere to have the boat).

Had to replace the front cross beam and replace a rusted section. The front cross beam still need reinforcing, as this is where the tilt hinge will be. The draw bar will slot up into that open section at the front of the triangle (still need opening up and reinforcing)

The original cross beams are/were 103x35x3mm C-section, which could not be sourced in a standard extrusion (would have had to hand over $$$ to have it bent). So I used 100x50x3mm RHS and sliced off a 100x15mm face to leave the 100x35mm. Its not a perfect match, but will only be spotted by a keen eye once its finished.

My welding is coming along slowly  :)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TTtEIdmHcQI/AAAAAAAAAKk/-szGQencdSk/s1600/Trailer1.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on February 13, 2011, 07:32:44 AM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OUbXEcGdIkU/TVb8NjjDm5I/AAAAAAAAAKw/ulA_uq3fh3Y/s1600/Trailer1.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: yochemin on February 13, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
Hi  Aaron ,

This is a nice system I've used to paint steel boats over the years
An american product , but available here : http://www.ppcco.com.au/prevention.htm
It goes a long way , but doesn't store well
it's a choice you have if you don't want to sandblast or gal
I'm doing my old trailer with this
If you decide to go with this , let me know and I'll work out some amounts for you
Bare in mind it is a system , and you need to use all the products till topcoat

steve


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on February 14, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
Hi Steve,

I've read a bit on the POR15 system. For my use I undertand I'd need to do two coats of POR15 and then two coats of some kind of top coat such as their (as POR15 is not UV stable) such as their Black Coat or Stirling Silver.

Must get pretty Exy ($$$)?

What kind of volumes are you thinking?


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: yochemin on February 14, 2011, 06:13:29 PM
Hi Aaron

Of the rust preventive paint , maybe a litre to 1.5 for two coats , you can do the axle  and guards
I'd start with a litre
Because you can buy 100ml can , if you run short you don't have to buy another  litre .
They also do a metal fuel tank rust and restore kit if your using Merc tanks
The kit is the same as the trailer products , so you can go wild after the trailer!

Steve


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: darrcoll on February 22, 2011, 08:05:57 PM
Hi AAron,

Just getting back to the boat painting, I am sure that awl-grip make a primer that will go over single pack to allow 2k products to be applied on top.

keep up the good work

Darrcoll


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on April 01, 2011, 07:24:14 AM
Ho hum.... slow slow slow progress....

Hoping to get a few trailer hours this weekend if I can get siome more steel (need some 30x5mm bar).

Red Nylon rollers are in from Bias Boating and going to weld up my own brackets for the rollers and skids. Making the brackets out of the 30x50mm and 25x25x3mm outer, 20x20x3mm inner for the hight adjustment. Outer will be spliced into the trailer cross bars to make it look neat.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Chair on April 01, 2011, 08:33:55 AM
Don't forget to show us some pics of your progress Aaron
Chair


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on April 18, 2011, 09:57:43 AM
TRAILER UPDATE:

Finaly finished the rollers and skids (structurally at least) and did a test of the hull onboard. She sits flat and stable.

Still need to:

- cut adjusteable risers (skids and one roller) to length
- seal and carpet the skids
- make the winch/spare wheel stand
- cut down the draw-bar
- mount the coupling
- make guide/light posts
- purchase and install axel, springs, guards, etc, etc
- prep and paint

Scary list but I'm getting there!!!! Nice at least to see Capricious right side up and out form udner the tarp  ;)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f_IxThEl9AE/Tat8i3Vn6LI/AAAAAAAAALw/OkyJrT39ey4/s320/IMG_0134%255B1%255D.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gse5aJe0CN0/Tat8jK9t46I/AAAAAAAAAL4/8KwJJX1q-YI/s320/IMG_0140%255B1%255D.jpg)



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Spritely on April 18, 2011, 03:14:49 PM
Hi Aaron,

Looks great, It's satisfying when things start coming together isn't it.

This will make working on the boat much easier.


Spritely


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on April 18, 2011, 09:43:08 PM
I can't believe your shed is so clean - ours not only doesn't fit my boat, but is full of all sorts of crap (sorry Neil).

Actually, if I removed all the stuff from my shed, such as  "beer fridges", "sav blanc fridges", "useful pieces of wood", and "children's clothing, grown out of, for sale at Camberwell market ............sometime................??????", then the boat may actually fit in quite nicely!!

Lucky I've got a good tarp arrangement outside, as the shed looks to be full for a while!

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on April 22, 2011, 06:04:38 PM
UPDATE:

Went and paid a visit to Spinny Things yesterday and picked up all the last bits and pieces I need to structurally finish the trailer (other than the winch)... axle, hubs, springs, coupling and all the associated bits'n'bobs.

Welded up the spring hanger bracket to a 50x50 L-piece which will bold along each chassis channel. Also welded up the front winch post base plate (6mm sheet).

So for the first time in  along time Capricious saw the light of day with little more than an easy roll out fo the workshop, and I was able to get a better look at how she is sitting on the trailer. Pretty happy thus far:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/aajenki/Boat/Tr1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/aajenki/Boat/Tr2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/aajenki/Boat/Tr3.jpg)

No.. check that... slit need the mudguards, more steel to finish the winch and spare hub/wheel post, tilt lock, lock pin... it never ends I tell ya and I'm not even at painting and wiring it yet...

Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Collector Inspector on April 22, 2011, 06:44:24 PM
Aaron

Very very soon this thing will be on the water!

State and federal taxes, licenses and stuff will help our economy along at the end

Thank you for being..........."A Contributor"

And keep updates up!

Regards

B


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: darrcoll on April 24, 2011, 01:20:31 PM
Hi Aaron, hate to rain on you parade, but I noticed your trailer is a tilt type for launching.. Not 100% sure but you may have to check with local authorities as I think they may be illegal now (for new registration). Other that that all looking good.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on April 24, 2011, 05:14:38 PM
Thanks for the heads up. Will check and an easy remedy if I have to weld it up.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on April 28, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
Stupidly I never took a before. Suffice to say they were two ratty/rusty/pealing trailer rims and one totally rusted spare.

Lots of sanding and decreasing, one coat of Primer and two coats of gloss black (both White Knight Rust Guard and brushed) and I now have some shiny new little 10 inch rims.

Two had new tyres and I have a new for spare on order with the local TypePower.

Just have to let the rims cure for a week or two before letting TyrePower near then to pop the tyres back on.



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 03, 2011, 02:47:46 PM
Just found myself a hardly used towbar (incl new loom/plug) for my 09 Forester. Should be plug'n'play so hopefully by the weekend I can tow!


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 07, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
Quick drive out to Lilydale, 3 hours of pulling most of the rear end off the the Forester (to find out I did not need to remove so much of the interior  >:( ) and I'm up and running with a near new tow bar at half the price.... saving me $400 htta cna now be spent on Capricious  ;).

Newly painted rims and tyres are on.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 07, 2011, 07:22:03 PM
3hrs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting sums, these. When we got our boat, I needed a tow bar on my old Patrol - quote for a newey was about $700, although it can be hugely more expensive for newer cars, I understand.

Wreckers tow bar was ~$80. Tow ball was $35.00. Went to Bayswater to pick these up - drive time 30 mins each way. Fluffing around and installing the tow bar on car took about an hour and a half, perhaps more. Some of the wires had broken off the nuts that sit inside the chassis rails, and I had to solder wires onto them so I could get them in position. I also had to buy a new drill bit (~$35) to drill holes in the chassis. I jammed my fingers, and got grubby lying on the ground

As I have no expertise in wiring, I got an auto-electrican to wire it in, which was about $110.  Fiscal cost $260, plus 2.5hrs plus of my time.

I felt very clever having done this, as most of my peer group wouldn't have even attempted it. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the balance between one's hourly rate, and the enjoyment derived from doing the task.

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 08, 2011, 08:02:24 AM
I thought three hours was pretty good actually having never done one before. Rear bumper off, rear exhast off, countless interior pannels and bits'n'pieces off.... Oh and no decent  instructions other than what I found off a few forums!

Mine's an MY09 and Subaru fitted is appprox $700 & $100 installation, so $800 all up and hence my saving. Similar price going non-Suby products.

Can't value the hourly rate compared to the fun/satisfaction factor. End of the day I still have $400 in my hip pocket!

In terms of wiring... was plug and play as car's wiring loop already had the plug ready for the tow bar's loom.

Here is yesterday's end results:

1. wheels on new hubs, axles and springs
2. coupling setup - trying to get the coupling as low as possible so the draw bar is higher and the trailer sits flat.
3 & 4 - First mock hookup  ;D


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 23, 2011, 04:35:41 PM
Winch has arrived at last having got the slow end of the USPS delivery timeframe range  ::)

Fulton XLT 600kg 4.1:1

Now I can finally finish the trailer build (one more trip to the steel shop) and prep for painting.

Winch looks like this...


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 24, 2011, 03:28:25 PM
Winch post is on.

Just need to add the spare wheel mount on the left hand side and think about whether I add a small gusset at the base of the post for extra strength (don;t think its going anywhere though).

And you'll notice I did away with the tilt mechanism. It was all getting a bit fiddly and overly complex for this little boat and a chat with Mercman made me realise I would have unlikely ever needed it.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on May 24, 2011, 03:37:17 PM
Very impressive Aaron.
I'm sure David will  :o be impressed with your winch. I'm guessing he may be in the market for something just like that.

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Chair on May 24, 2011, 03:59:03 PM
Well you left me in the dark on that (winch) post Aaron. Very neat indeed.
Chair


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 24, 2011, 05:07:32 PM
Aaron - does that winch work in fwd and reverse?  I'm looking for a winch that also has a reverse, so I can use it to slowly let my boat and trailer out into our rear laneway, which involves a slope with a drop of about 8" ( and a dog-leg turn ).  I was hoping that I could find a trailer winch that would not only winch the boat onto the trailer, but also, once the boat was attached with a safety chain, could be used to winch the trailer and boat from our laneway into the back of our block of land, and back out again, rather than trying to get the wife and kids to push it!

BTB, your project is all coming along steamingly. Well done

AA


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 24, 2011, 09:23:36 PM
Andrew,

Yes its a two-way winch (forward and reverse).

Landed was about AU$110 from Discount Marine in the US.

Link to product: http://www.fultonperformance.com/content/products.aspx?lvl=3&parentid=7900&catID=7920&part=XLT14ZB101


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 25, 2011, 07:28:23 AM
Oh... and I forgot to say don't use Discount Marine. Very unimpressed and you can get similar prices elsewhere.

10 days to dispatch to USPS, item already opened, disassembled and missing one locknut.

Have had no reply from them, but in the same time the manufacture has been great with supplying details assembly pics (I could not work out where one part, a spring, went) and confirming the winch should have come full assembled!


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 25, 2011, 09:32:47 AM
How much did it cost to post out?

Whitworths have some electric winches for $90, albeit not as aesthetic as yours, and they only winch one way. The other I was looking at was a warn 1700, which, again is not as attractive, but I think it winches both ways. It is $220 from ARB.

AA


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 25, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
Andrew,

Was $110 included postage via USPS Priority Mail... though it took 1 week to dispatch and 2 weeks for USPS to get it to me  >:(

Was about US$65/45 split for winch/postage.

So not the cheapest, but still  much cheaper than many here in Aust, a good qulaity brand and I really wanted the aesthetics  8)

I Googled a little and although Fulton is not readily availabl in Aust I did see one online price up around the $200 mark for my model.

Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 25, 2011, 08:40:34 PM
Oops, reading back through your messages, it was clear that the $110 included postage. My mistake.

So....................moving on a little................how are "the twins".

Seems like you are a man "possessed", in having got the boat sanded, and the trailer modified, and almost completed. I love your enthusiasm and energy - it's infectious (to me, anyway!).

My suggestion is to get the first "twin" up and going and on your boat, and boat out on water ASAP.......................... and then concentrate on getting second twin going and finding/making subsequent boat.

At the end of the day, boating is all about getting out on the water, isn't it?

(and, whilst I'm used to having the enthusiasm and interest that you have, I somehow seem to have "lost" the spark recently, hence I love your postings...............just as my boat lost the spark recently...........?????synchronicity....................or just my stage of life?

Keep posting, I love it.

AA

The boat now work

AA


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on June 04, 2011, 04:14:19 PM
Really quite around his end of the forum lately!

Re your winch thread Andrew... I'll second... its about time we get to see some pics from your good self.  Will help me feel less... "look at me everyone, look at me"  ;)

On that note  ;D

A shiny pair of new mudguards arrived this week and I have (as always) done a dummy fit.

I still need to order the stainless fixings (M6x10mm button heads with nylocs).

You'll also note the wheels are a little forward of center. That's because they are fitted for center when there is about 150kg loaded in addition to the hull (6x25L water drams to mimic outboard, fuel, etc).

Cheers,

AJ



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: blazen bee on June 05, 2011, 11:49:30 AM
Hi Aaron j where you buy your mud guards from thanks
raffi


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on June 05, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Raffi,

Look up "mudguards" on Ebay Motors and you'll find them in a number of sizes.

Mine are the smallest in this style (180mm/7" width)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on August 28, 2011, 03:16:37 PM
OK, here you go Andrew....

While sanding and painting an Ebay bed for the spare/guest room I snuck in some Capricious time  ;D

Removed the outer transom skin ready for a new transom.  I left a 50mm lip to tie the new transom into and will bevel the outer edge to tie in the new layers of glass.  Once done will re-skin the inside, construct new stringers to the transom (thinking PVC pipe for the form) and maybe throw in some extra bracing for the 65hp.

Hopefully get some ply delivered this week as that's the only holdup.

Saving more work on the trailer for a rainy day, as I'd rather be out in the breeze while playing with glass.  Got that itchy feeling again ;-)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on August 28, 2011, 06:56:30 PM
Question:

Transom... thinking 2x layers of 19mm ply sandwiching a single layer of glass, so say 39mm total.

Is that enough or do I need to up the thickness?


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on September 10, 2011, 02:57:31 PM
Ahhh... you guys are slack!  I had to look elsewhere for my answers...

In the end I have gone for 3x layers of 12mm will one layer of FG between each. Gives about 38mm for the whole transom.  I am also adding a fourth layer of 12mm in the area of the transom cap just slightly larger in size than where the outboard well faces up to the transom.  This will give and extra bit of strength for the 650SS to clamp too, while not adding a full transom cutout layer.  Make sense?

The transom is now setting and I'll hopefully get to mounting it back into the hull tomorrow.

Have also cut out the dash, but I now see the original must have been fitted with the hull and deck separate.  So I'm going a first layer that is not quite as wide as needed, to brace and realign the dash. The the second layer will be in two parts so that it reaches full width (ties to the outer edges of the hull and deck.

Still go that itching feeling.... damn FG.

Oh... and it is official... I am no long just pulling Capricious apart.  She is now finally being put back together.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on September 11, 2011, 08:37:04 PM
And the obligatory pics:

1. New 3x12mm+glass composite = 40mm
2. Inside after first fit
3. Outside and braced
4. Bracing setup: <-- Retaining wall <-- transom <--> hull --> winch/trailer --> car


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on September 11, 2011, 08:45:18 PM
And the fourth partial layer to the transom, bringing the area around the motor mount to 50mm.

Motor mount fits up to 65mm so I still have some room for glass and mounting plate, but I know this motor will be staying fast ;-)

Only thing I realised tonight is that the outboard well is not deep enough in its original form.  The the T-grip on the transom mount screws for the Merc 650ss will not be able to be turned (need 130mm to clear/turn and I have 100mm).  So I am toying whether I add another days work and deepen the well, or, I take the T-grips off and tighten using a small ratchet.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on September 11, 2011, 10:11:25 PM
Hah, smarty trousers................

V Impressed that you got all that done today, even though there was the 30mm issue at the end..........

I spent all day in the garden, weeding, trimming and spreading and inhaling dynamic lifter, and the closest I got to my boat was resting 2 bottles of pinot on the deck when coming home with some grog at 5pm, before I went out to dinner with Mrs Hornyman.

Well done. And................what was your beloved doing through all this??????

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on September 16, 2011, 08:48:33 PM
Could not help myself and threw the motor on for a little look.

I know it looks to be sitting low, but the transom is still about 12mm lower then what it'll be finish at and the gearbox is not bolted up (sitting 30mm low).

Thanks to Guy's advise I am going to start with a finished transom 12mm lower than the recommended (15.5"/392mm) for the motor. Easier to lift her than lower her on a finished transom and it means I can see how it performs on this hull.



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Collector Inspector on September 17, 2011, 04:45:50 PM
Aye!

Always easier to shim up after transom deed done and dusted!

Water test is the answer. If you have no keel you should be able to do lock to lock when flat out.

"Seat Belt"

B


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on September 19, 2011, 07:16:39 AM
Yeah, in the past I've found flat bottom runabouts and punts need to have the motor a little lower than normal. In a chop, pockets of air run down the length of the hull and vent the prop. Lowering the motor helps to eliminate this issue.

She looks good with the 650 on the back. 8)
I forgot she was a 1967 model.

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Chair on September 22, 2011, 09:15:53 AM
I like the rounded look of the 67 compared with the earlier models. Did you find much fuzz under the stainless bands Aaron which can distort it? I was able to gently panel beat mine back into shape before grinding it flat then buffing it. Came up a treat.
Chair


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on September 23, 2011, 06:46:30 PM
Yer, there was plenty of gunk under the trim, but nothing was out of whack and all the trim is nice and straight.

I did have a crack at removing the main cylinder cover (where the plugs are), however despite having put releasing agents on all nuts and bolts regularly since getting the motor, 5 snapped.  So I think I'm going to have a few issues even getting this thing apart to see why its seized.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on September 24, 2011, 08:52:01 AM
Hi Aaron,
Removing that particular Cover will not reveal why she is seized, as you probably know. Those Bolts in that model are only Steel. Easily replaced with Stainless Steel during re-assembly. Other Bolts which will probably snap are holding the Exhaust Plate on. As per above.

After that, most bolts won't be much of an issue, unless she's badly neglected.

If you are starting to poke around and you are looking for more things to yank off , remove the Transfer Port Covers. These are log and narrow plates on the Starboard side of the Block, sitting vertically between the Crank Case  & the Spark Plugs. Remove the Phillips head screws, then evenly and gently prise the cover off. This will allow you to peep in to where the pistons live. You can usually get a pretty good idea on what's really wrong from that point.

MERCMAN.




Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Spritely on September 24, 2011, 11:41:49 AM
Hi Aaron,

A little bit of carefully applied heat from a gas torch almost always assists with difficult to remove bolts. Just be careful not to over do it and distort the alloy. A little heat goes a long way.

Spritely


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on September 24, 2011, 03:14:37 PM
Thanks for that tip. Will give it a go next time I try looking at the motor.  The few nuts and bolts that did come apart were really rusty and dry in the thead, considering how much releaser I've been spraying on it over the last 12 months!

In the meantime... Stringer forms (thin wall PVC) in place and fared to floor and transom.  Ran out of resin, so glassing them in place has to wait.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 08, 2011, 09:57:07 PM
Stringers with first layer of 600gsm chopped strand and plenty of tabbing to the transom.  One top layer of 300gsm woven to go tomorrow.

I've moved from FGI's polyester resin to Boat Cote's epoxy. Finding the 2:1 mix easier than the 100:1, but its thicker (standard resin and catalyst) and a little tricky to get the 600gsm saturated. But I got there.  Also found it much nicer on the nose to work with.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 09, 2011, 06:29:07 PM
Timber stringers (that will provide the floor support) cut and ready to fit next weekend.

They'll be epoxy coated before setting in place and then get a layer or two of paint as well.

The plan is to have a foot well and them into the bulkhead/bow box.  The original stingers (which the floor has to follow) slope upwards, which would make for cramped seating.

I have gone pine (not ideal I know) due to cost and weight, but as noted above, will have it fully sealed.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 19, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
OK, bit of a long story.

Suffice to say I just bought another boat  ;D

But... I'm not keeping it  :(

Got you wondering  ???

Well... I bought the boat because it came with 1964 Merc 650SS twins. Yes, I have twins again ;-)

One is cosmetically really bashed around, but runs. The other turns over with power, but will not fire (elect issue somewhere).  I figure between the pair I should have all I need to get one really good runner.

Re the 1967 650SS... I am just nervous about it being seized and missing so many part, that this option looks a quicker way to be up and running (theoretically).

I'll likely keep the 1967 for a rainy day.

Pics to come later.

Oh... by the way I know where there is trailer and old Swift-craft runabout for sale  ;)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 19, 2011, 12:06:33 PM
Below are the two motors. Runner is the one on Capricious.

Also came with a vintage Quicksliver steering wheel and Mercury push-pull rack and pinion steering (both I hope to use) and three fulls sets (keys, fuel lines, etc and all) of forward controls. So I think I'm set for parts for Capricious for a while?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j3dhqQvOtqw/Tp4vtCmclII/AAAAAAAAARc/XYJME9Ai0Wk/s400/1964OB1Runner.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MvNaI3dqpew/Tp4vmJM6VII/AAAAAAAAARU/oAiXi4qw9fg/s400/1964OB2NonRunner.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cj5qRX5yHcQ/Tp4v1JiLYdI/AAAAAAAAARo/6qErNYfz_CA/s1600/Swiftcraft1.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nfiqymLYn0w/Tp4v1d25bUI/AAAAAAAAARw/djuM2NnVmdE/s400/Capricious%2526Swifty.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on October 19, 2011, 02:53:53 PM
My goodness Aaron. You own 3 x 650's. You are as bad as David, he has 3 too!.
Between both of you, that's 6 x 650's. Fancy seeing all of them clamped to one vessel.

Your personal total is now 5 Mercs.
I only own 4 Mercs and 1 'rude. Aaron guess what? You're the real MERCMAN. 8)

X MERCMAN.

 


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on October 19, 2011, 03:02:32 PM
Nice touch of humility MERCMAN but I am sure Aaron would agree you are THE one and only  ;)

Neil


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 19, 2011, 03:44:05 PM
Absolutely agree Neil.  The title is so much more than the the sum of the numbers and there can be only one real MERCMAN!

But I will have to talk to David about starting a Melbourne duopoly on Merc 650 4-cylinders.

As a side note, I now have all the parts I need, accept a battery, to test fire the 700's as the 650's. Cleaned the Merc tank, fueled/oiled it up and tried jumping the running 650 the same way I had previously with the 700's (cheap jumper leads from the car).  However, I had the issue (enough juice to spin the starter, but not engage it).

I went and said G'day to Ken Firth from Eltham Marine today. He advised I need a battery with about 600 cranking amps and about 80amp hours. Sound about right? Was talking up around $190.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on October 19, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
Nice words boys, thanks :-[
I always buy a 600 CCA for my boat. The first battery in the big Jav was a Century "Marine" battery. It lasted 5 years. I didn't hesite in buying the same thing as a replacemnt when the original finally croaked.
I paid $150, that was almost 2 years ago now.

X MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Spritely on October 20, 2011, 09:06:47 AM
Hi Aaron,

Have you thought of coating your timber stringers with a good coat of fiberglass resin prior to fitting?

Spritely


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Mark S on October 20, 2011, 09:11:30 AM
For the record, I also have 2 of those early 650's. One clean and one a bit rough, so that makes 7 for Vic.

Mark S.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on October 20, 2011, 02:50:59 PM
Dave   = 3
Aaron  = 3
Mark    = 2
Total      8

How good is that? :) :)
You guys have cornered the market.

X MERCMAN


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Loza351 on October 20, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
 Make that eight for Vic! The motor I have hanging off the back of the Javelin is.... That's right, a '65 Mercury 650! Which thanks to Mercman's service and assistance hot line now has reverse. Thanks muchly.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on October 20, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
Aaron, I'm worried about you. You seem to have some issues with "hoarding". It sounds like you've had a difficult childhood.....................You need some psychiatric help soon.

The swiftcraft you bought is the same model as the one I bought for $100 last year, thinking I'd got a bargain. Sold it a few months later after cutting out the transom and floor,  for $50, then realising that the ebay fees for selling a boat were $40, so I'd sold it for $10, and for that I'd even agreed to meet the buyer in Frankston for drop off (fortunately was going on down to Sorrento from there).....................LOSER!!

Hope the beloved can cope with the multiple Mercs! (and your hoarding!).

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 20, 2011, 09:12:41 PM
Sprite, Absolutely the stringers will be glassed fully. That photo is just a test fit.

Andrew, I am a hoarder no doubt and some might think would benefit from counselling ;-) but I like to think it was the positive influence of my hoarder grandpa (who i spent countless school nights and weeks with in his garage) and my uncle (who had a propensity for collecting all kinds of things like rocks, gems, birds eggs, insects, wooden toys, you name it).  As for my beloved... always surprises me... (1) no issue with my indulgences so long as the house reno and garden landscaping continue in parallel and (2) recently noted she's be OK with the 1961 700 twins siting wither side of the lounge couch... IF... they were restored, shiny and new. Last one I question if I'd ever actually get over the line though...


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Spritely on October 21, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
G'day Aaron,

I was meaning Resin coat the timbers rather than epoxy and paint to seal prior to installing.

I have just redone the stringers and floors in my boat over the last couple of months.

Cheers

Spritely


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on October 21, 2011, 08:17:22 AM
Make that eight for Vic! The motor I have hanging off the back of the Javelin is.... That's right, a '65 Mercury 650! Which thanks to Mercman's service and assistance hot line now has reverse. Thanks muchly.

No, now 9. See below.

 Dave   = 3
Aaron  = 3
Mark    = 2
Loza   = 1
Total      9

 X MERCMAN.



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 26, 2011, 01:14:45 PM
Battery placement.
My thinking here is that she may be stern heavy due to the 650ss and fuel (at least 25-30L). So I was thinking to design the new bow bulkhead to have the battery mounted up on top (bulkhead will also have some internal storage). Other than the extra battery lead lengths are there any other issues that would put a stop to this plan? Just concerned about handling if everyting is stuck under the rear deck.
Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on October 26, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
Hi mate,
I can understand your concern
However, your vessel is a flat bottom. You shouldn't have any weight/balance issues with the 650.

If you do need to stick someting up the bow at a later date, send the juice up there. A battery will just get hammered resulting in Acid leaking from the cap vents plus potentially buckling the plates in the battery.

I'm off to my shed to fit new Thermostats in my V6. ;D

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 29, 2011, 06:30:12 AM
Thanks Guy,

Concerns alleviated and questions answered as always kind sir.

No shed time for me for a bit.  Dodgy damn shoulders!

Had a couple of cortisone shots in the left yesterday (not the most joyous experience) and its no activity for 3 days then just take it really easy after that.  The right shoulder is next Friday, with the same post instructions. Then a two week wait to see if I have avoided surgery.

I tell ya.. nothing bloody healthy about having spent my teen and adult life trying to stay fit and healthy!  A stupid price to be paying for it now.

To compensate for not working on the boat though.... think I'll just sit at the computer and just buy boat stuff  ;D

Oh... show and tell (see image). New shiny bow chocks. A matching bow handle and set of cleats are coming of the SwiftCraft that came with the 1964 650 twins.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on October 29, 2011, 12:57:33 PM
Nice Fish! ;D

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 29, 2011, 08:14:54 PM
Thought that might be appreciated. Aquacultured Silver Perch.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on October 30, 2011, 08:08:16 PM
Aaron, shoulders are generally only a problem if moved above about 40-80 degrees.

You can still work down low......

.....perhaps raise your seat a bit.

A (The Quack)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 30, 2011, 09:22:36 PM
Hey Andrew,
I wish!  Left AC is just a mess no matter the angle. 3 days since the cortisone shots (AC and Bursa/sub-something) and although most of the more general pains and aches have reduced, I still get a horrible crunching pain (AC area) with random anterior movements (open a cutlery draw, push a door open, etc). But Dr's orders are back to normal lighter duty as of tomorrow. Now its just the wait until the right one is done next week and then two weeks from then to see if I've avoided the knife (very little confidence that I have at this stage).
Pretty damn over it all really... and just want to get on with things around the house and on the boat.
But... I know I'm in for even more strife later if I don't do what is needed to fix it all now.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on October 31, 2011, 10:35:06 AM
Isn't The Board bloody marvellous!
You can get free on-line advice on how to fix an ailment with your boat motor, or even your own body. ;)
Love it. :D
Thanks AA.

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on October 31, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
Yer, pretty cool Guy.  Will get me, the motors and boat restored all at this rate ;-)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 20, 2011, 01:42:10 PM
Hey gang,

Cortisone has worked wonders. Its only a stop-gap, but I can't explain enough what a huge difference its made.  Will have to see how long it buys me.  So although I am not due back to the Dr until next week and am still supposed to do nothing heavy, I just could not resist a little Capricious time this morning.

I cut and filleted in place the new bulkhead with upgrade. I decided it seemed like such a waste of space in a small boat like this so added some bracing to the front face and installed a small access hatch. On order are some stainless hinges and a flush pull-latch.

I also tied it into the old halfpipe stringers and will do similar for the new timber stringers, that will be the floor support. Should be nice and solid!

The old:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qVjXK27dYV8/Tsh1_6BwICI/AAAAAAAAAXY/dljFWcx3FCo/s1600/Old%2BBulkhead_20Nov11.jpg)

The new:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NExOTyYC_JQ/Tsh1_5HHTHI/AAAAAAAAAXg/N0cywnTYcwc/s1600/New%2BBulkhead_20Nov11.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on November 20, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
Actually, here is an even older one from before I cleaned it up:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LDOJBzPR9ws/Tsh5DiVzT7I/AAAAAAAAAX8/kQx6Z-w6XtM/s1600/Oldest%2BBulkhead_20Nov11.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on November 20, 2011, 08:32:10 PM
Aaron,
 I'm glad you're working through your shoulder issues!

I had 2 hernias repaired last Friday. Amazing how much you can lift/push when the family are feeling sorry for you, and decide to help. 5 girls behind the boat tonight, and we didn't even need the winch to get it into the back of our property!

Different story next week, I bet!

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 01, 2011, 07:04:54 PM
AA,
How's the post opp recovery going?

I've had a few niggles come back, but it may be reflective of me trying to do some activities again that I'd not for 8 weeks (gym, gardening, etc). Due back to the Dr in early January.


Bulkhead is done, other than still waiting on the hinges, so I'm on to the stringers and floor.

Also orderd my seats. Getting 4x plain white folding seats, but not 100% sure on the xcinfigurations.

My first idea was to install them onto a seat frame that made them much like back to back seats.

However, I am now thinking (1) two front seats on 12-position locking swivels, so that they can face backwards and (2) two seats up back that are removable to make her either a 4x or 2x configurations. I thought 2x would be better/safer if trying a bit of fishing (given how small she is) and the extra space useful.

Will post more pickies when I get a bit further with the stringers and floor.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 03, 2011, 04:22:33 PM
Finally got to the stringers.

Only glued in place at this stage and need to wait 24 hours for the glue to go off before removing the bracing, filleting and glassing.

However, am out of resin until early next week.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on December 05, 2011, 09:02:11 PM
Getting over hernia repairs nicely, thanks, Aaron.

It's an interesting mental issue, all this......

Surgeon told me to take at least a week off work (even knowing that I spend most of the day sitting). My fishing buddy was told to take a month off his job.

As many of you will know, I'm self employed, and every day off work means $X lost income.

I had my surgery on a Friday. Could have (and would have, if needed) worked with a lot of discomfort on the Saturday if needed, but would have needed to lie down every half hour or so. Sunday similar, but less discomfort. Monday easier still. Tuesday, I stayed at home, only because I had organised someone to work for me, but could have easily worked. Since then, some discomfort, but not a huge deal/

The point I am trying to make (in Aaron's blog - Moderators, please delete this post in a few days) is that there a lot of employees out there who are rather "precious", and need to change their attitude a lot. Day 1 back at work for me, I had a patient ask for an MC for work, as she'd felt a bit dizzy that morning, and decided not to got to work as a consequence. Did I give her some bagging! Self employed people take minimal time off work. Employees take more. For all you out there who are employed, please just bite the bullet and go to work, rather than take a "sicky"

Back to Aaron  - see, you can still work on your boat with a bugger ed shoulder. I will be so excited when your boat gets on the water!


A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 05, 2011, 09:18:02 PM
Not wrong about attitude Andrew.

One of the ecologists I work with recently have knee work done. Arthroscopic, sure, but still a general anesthetic and pretty invasive operation... She was back in the office after one day off.  Yet we had others that seemed to milk time off with every little sniffle they got.

Attitude and let me also add "work ethic".

Re my shoulders and the boat... I've just slowed things down to suit and lift nothing heavy. So long as I don't go as hard and as long, I seem to be holding up.  Even doing a bit of light gym training again.

Re Capricious... I'm already excited as I finally feel I am making some decent progress. All going well I reckon I'll be flipping her in a few weeks to do the deck underside and hull through to painting!  I just need to settle on the paint scheme ;-)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on December 06, 2011, 07:13:18 PM
It is a huge project you've taken on, and fantastic to see your enthusiasm for your restoration/rebuild. I enjoy watching you blog, as I really appreciate people who are passionate about anything. Keep it up.

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on December 07, 2011, 09:25:31 PM
Just picked myself up off the deck with self diagnosed inoperable yawnia .
Can't return to work under any of the above circumstances as I have been self funded for sixteen years .
That may be admirable .
Could look to voluntary work bordering on the M.V. 'Ethical ' but my Latin is not good enough  ;)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on December 10, 2011, 06:47:33 PM
Stringers done:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s3RnBlXCPJQ/TuMb4ko-8jI/AAAAAAAAAYs/JrRCuRBTYc0/s1600/Stringers%2BGlassed.jpg)


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on January 29, 2012, 03:21:07 PM
Poor Capricious has been left wanting since Xmas, but I managed to squeeze a few hours in over the weekend to start on the DIY back to back seats.

Here is the result thus far...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ghk5hDhJLfY/TyTPZIstfII/AAAAAAAAAag/duYNCWWNgtU/s1600/B2B%2BSeats1.jpg)

The A-boxes will be sanded to a smooth rounded look, filled, fared and painted the same white as the hull, motor and steering wheel. As will the grey seat brackets.

The bases will be the same grey as the hull interior and carpet.

So they should look smooth, sleek and all white AND I hope in keeping with he boat.

The seats attached at the backrest, so the bases flip up for more storage underneath.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Cherry_crosby on March 15, 2012, 09:53:36 AM
Hi Aaron,

I really like the A-boxes they suit the chairs perfectly. I was looking at doing something similar (well making my own seats as well) do you have any plans or drawings of the A-boxes?
They will look really nice when painted.

Will.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on March 15, 2012, 07:51:00 PM
Hey Will,

No plans sorry. I build them specifically to match the profile of the seats.

Will be much easire for you if you are making the seats too. It too lots of trial and error to get the A-box profile to match the seat backs.

Happy to take some measurements if it help you any.

Aaron.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: Cherry_crosby on March 16, 2012, 11:20:42 AM
Thats all good I am a long way of needing seats anyway.

Still gotta do the stringers and the trailer, not to mention the work the 850 needs.

I think I will be able to smash something out when I get to that point. I do like the way you have done them though

Is it 10mm ply they are built from?

Will.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 26, 2012, 07:25:39 AM
Hi Gang,

This is my 'lack of progress' update!

Capricious has stalled.

A few big work and relationship changes in life, plus my damn shoulders, have left me with little time.

Fortunately/unfortunately, depending on how I'm thinking about it, my first shoulder reco is happening this Tur with the right planned for as soon as the left is up and running again (12 weeks'ish). For you Andrew A, I'm getting left Arthro subacromial decompression + ACJ excision + whatever else they find while in there  :(

Poor old Capricious is not going to move along or get any love for a little while.

So my request to you guys is that someone has to really get motoring with their project and post lots of pictures so I can live vicariously through you.

AJ


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 27, 2012, 07:27:51 PM
Oh no...

Is the beloved getting the jack of your project....?

My beloved Hartley doesn't need anything done, but I'm happy to do some postings just to cover you!

Sadly I've mostly been boating with a mate in his modern fiberglass boat with  mercruser 8l V 8 over recent times, but  would love to take the old girl out.

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 27, 2012, 08:35:27 PM
Andy, not the newest news and I hinted to it in my above post, but the only beloved in my life these days is Capricious... and the loss of the other was not boat related!

I thought running solo again would have helped get more time on Capricious, but alas, I'm home less than ever right now filling my waking hours up with as much work, fiends and family as I can. Not to mention the shoulders being uncooperative.

AJ


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 27, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Aaron, I've obviously missed a bit there.  Sorry to hear it.

 With your extra time, perhaps now the twins can get the attention, they require.  :D

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on May 28, 2012, 08:31:25 AM
I've been keeping abreast of Aarons woe's by phone & PM's in recent times. The poor fella is having a rough trot at present.
Aaron, I'm sure all your fellow Boardies wish you a speedy recovery (in all aspects) :) :)

By the way, you know I'm always available to play with your twins until you're up and about again. ;D

We are all behind you mate and we hope you are up and about very quickly following your first op' 8)

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on May 28, 2012, 03:59:27 PM
Hello Aaron ,
I interpreted your succinct post as it was meant.
Being capricious as you are ,time will heal.
My best wishes to you.
Another problem is what to do with the magnificent photo on Sydney Harbour  ;D :(
I do hope you leave it there as part of 'The Project '.

Neil


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 28, 2012, 09:46:01 PM
Aaron,

Hoping the shoulder op goes well. I thought you were a youngster-what has happened to your shoulders to need a decompression etc..

Shoulder ops at least allow some tinkling at low levels, so the twins might get some attention. Not sure about capricious though.

As to the rest of  your life - nows a great time to focus on somethIng specific,  and doing up the twins isn't a dumb suggestion.

And, beyond that, if you need some professional input, give me a yodel.

A



Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on May 28, 2012, 10:00:05 PM
Hey guys.

Neil, the photo can stay. I'm not that preciousness about a breakup that I need to hide things. All good here and I'll find a better replacement at some stage... take that as you may  8)

Andy, I am young... 42 years young!

The shoulders are a result of 27 years of overdoing it in the gym. I don't know the medical terms, but did way too much as 15yo when I was still growing and had some kind of calcification thingy going on. Then most of the damage was done in my 20's and early 30's when I tried my hand at body building. Throw in some ignoring advise on my side, a bit of misdiagnosis over the years (damn physios) and my tenancy to 'not' do things by halves and I'm sure you get the idea.

As for focusing elsewhere... thank you shoulders...

Seriously though, all totally good here. Work, keeping fit, friends and family have all helped and no point wallowing around as life ain't going to wait for me!!! Onward and upward I say...

Enough of that though... back to boats  ;D

Question:

I have my pair of 64 650's and the ceased 67 650. Are all, or most, of the bolt-on parts off the 67 compatible with the 64's?

AJ


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on May 29, 2012, 09:22:09 PM
Good response. Bad luck about the shoulders.
Good luck about the twins
Keep focused.
A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on June 01, 2012, 08:54:01 PM
My comment re Aaron and capricious goes back to 'None of us on the 'Board ' are capricious ref Early Model 40 hp Oct 2010.
'Good bedside manner' Don't cut too deep and if you don't know refer to a specialist. ?


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on July 14, 2013, 10:19:54 AM
Hi gang,
How is everyone? Long time hey!?
I'm still here and Capricious is still covered and in moth-balls... unfortunately...

You know I had my shoulder recos just over a year ago (left 31 May and right 4 July). Unfortunately the right has not worked so well. We're not really sure why. Likely a combination of factors starting at a bleeding issue right out of surgery through to me overdoing it (yes AGAIN) in recovery/rehab. Suffice to say where the work was done (mostly AC joint) it did not form the required scar tissue and the shoulder has not regained its stability. So I'm back in for a couple more operations (redo the AC, transplant/reposition a ligament and getting some temporary titanium hardware to hold it all together). The first is in 3 weeks and then another about about 4 months later. Yeah me (sarc)... another 12 months minimum of rehab...

Needless to say poor old Capricious is to continue to be ignored.

What I wanted to ask is can any recommenced a decent cover that would fit her? The ones on Ebay, though having the required length, I'm just not sure how they will fit the unusual hull shape. She's spot on 13ft, but It'd be good if the cover could handle covering the motor also (was thinking to get a cover suited to a 15-14ft boat).

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on July 14, 2013, 07:44:35 PM
What's wrong with MYO cover.....give that the project is almost MYO boat  and motors anyway.

PS  Use canvas . It breathes. Waterproof nylons etc get condensation, which drips down into the boat.

Shoulders don't sound so happy though......

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on July 15, 2013, 09:06:22 AM
Is MYO cover the therapy for shoulder injury or a type of boat cover ???

Phew !

Neil


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on July 15, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
Neil, are you picking me up on my English again...?!

I think shoulder therapy is called " physiotherapy", but maybe that's just me being conservative!

I still want  to emulate your hatch .....but I need to replace the impeller first....it's sitting in a postal bag at work, where its been for 4+ wks.....unopened.

A




Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on July 16, 2013, 09:09:07 AM
No Andrew , perish the thought  ;D
I really don't understand your post re MYO cover .
I googled MYO and came up with Myotherapy , a treatment for muscular and skeletal pain.
Based in Melbourne, Sydney etc.

There's an old saying 'impell before you hatch '

Cheers ,

Neil


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on July 16, 2013, 06:15:38 PM
Hello Aaron ,
I omitted to say a warm welcome back to the fold.
 
Cheers
Neil


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on July 16, 2013, 08:43:33 PM
Thanks Neil. I may not have been vocal, but I've most certainly checked in from time to time.

Andrew, you've got me with "MYO" also? Make your own?
And the shoulder is crap, to put it mildly.
Long story as to how it is where it is now, but it needs redoing as it has not formed the scare tissue it was supposed to and the clavicle is rattling around like a loose wheel nut.  Other than cleaning out the AC joint again the plan is rewiring the carocoacromial ligament to the end of the clavicle and install a hook plate (fixed to the clavicle) for about four months, before being taken out again.

AJ


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on July 16, 2013, 09:00:55 PM
Sorry all, I thought MYO was a common anagram . ...make your own...

Aaron, erk.

I'd build a raised platform around Capricious, so you can work below waist level, as it doesn't sound like your going to be able to work  above shoulder height for a while

Neil, I'll impell sometime during winter, but will consult Guy first about my whatever it is issue with the old Starflite.

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on July 18, 2013, 08:19:41 PM
Hey Andrew, You really had me on that MYO business too!
(I really think you owe senojn an apology, old mate.)

AJ, I trust you haven't lost the bug with your Boat nor your Twins. Perhaps our good friend AA can get you "Trade Discount" on the procedure you require? ;D

I owe you Melb' guys an apology, I was in Melb' a week ago, just for two days. If I had time, I would have loved to meet up. However, it was a "bounce" trip and I was on the go all the time. I even managed to put 315km on the hire car and I didn't even leave the Metro area. I did manage to pick up two new Customers though.  8)

Oh well, there will be another trip soon I reckon. I'll set a side a full day just to see to who ever wants to meet up.

MERCMAN.
 


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on July 18, 2013, 09:05:43 PM
No need for a platform Andrew... Capricious just ain't that tall, even on the trailer!

Guy, the bug is still there and strong and I am as determined as ever to finish her... 'one day' though is about all I can offer for a plan right now. In fact just a few weeks ago, while cleaning up the workshop, i took the 650 off and put one of the 700's in its place. She looks mighty fine with 2ft of motor height over the top of the transom. Though not sure how well she'd sit with that much weight on her rear end. Ah... one day I'll get there...


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on July 20, 2013, 10:26:34 PM
Neil, I'm sorry for my obscure MYO anagram. I thought it was generally known, but I recall I was picked up several years ago on this forum for a similar issue. I'll deal with this...just youthful, and over enthusiastic!! ;D

Mind you , ell chek n iPad dent o a favour - what I typed was " spell check on iPad doesn't do you a favour", but to get it right took 5 goes.....

Aaron, I didn't realise Capicious was that low....and, your shoulder doesn't sound so happy..

A


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on July 21, 2013, 11:02:35 AM
Andrew -no need  ;)
I never wish to offend anyone but my approach to these sites is that they are public and therefore able to be read by all, to learn or be entertained , so  ' good communication is good communication' .
By the way  ;D  MYO is an acronym not an anagram.

Cheers

Neil


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on August 11, 2016, 09:14:40 AM
Couple of photos Guy took when he stumbled across another Capricious a few weeks back in NSW.

Finally... we know she was not a one-off!

Guy, did that bloke get back to you with any additional info?

AJ


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: MERCMAN on August 11, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
AJ,
As you will recall, the owner had only taken delivery our his boat lees than 24 hours before I came across it. Sadly, the new owner wasn't able to learn any more about the boat from the previous owner, other than what I had already shared with you on the phone.

For the other members, it's believed this hull is circa 1959.

I have another idea... Neil, do you know if Peter Hunt (Founder of Hunts Marine) is still with us?

MERCMAN.









Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: andrewallan on August 13, 2016, 11:20:46 PM
Spotted this on eBay.....it doesn't curve in as far as Capricious, does it (couldn't get 2 piccies aligned to check)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/boat-ski-boat-old-school-classic-project-/222215111858?hash=item33bd0d84b2:g:WkYAAOSwzhVWryKs


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: AaronJ on August 14, 2016, 10:51:39 AM
Heya AA,

That hull has been around Ebay for ages.  Its quite different to the two Capricious' but still cool looking.

Its more of a clinker style in fibreglass and the gunnel line does not drop to the widest part of the transom.

AJ


Title: Re: Capricious - The Project
Post by: senojn on August 14, 2016, 04:43:27 PM
Re Peter Hunt  , no Guy sorry I don't know . Not impressed with them at the moment although is brings back memories when we traded a 14ft clinker launch on a Dehavilland Topper / Evinrude twin in the 50's .
Also like Aaron's description of 'clinker style'

Cheers
Neil